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rerun7378
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PostYou have posted in this forum: Sun Apr 11, 2010 8:40 pm   Post subject:  Re: Demons: has anyone seen one? Back to top 

Tammi,

I have a lot of questions. But the only one I really would like you to answer is:

Quote: › this is the way i was born.jesus was also born with a veil over his face.


Where do you get this information from?

Quote: › however,just because i sin and i get mad and react like any human being would does not mean my experiences are not divine.


I did not refer to your actions. I completely understand the burden that sin has on a person, especially a Christian. Sin hits the Christian the hardest. I only referred to the limited description of the nature of your situation.

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Tammi
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USA
PostYou have posted in this forum: Mon Apr 12, 2010 2:03 pm   Post subject:  Re: Demons: has anyone seen one? Back to top 

just google it and you will find much info on it.google caulbearer or born with a veil over face.i am still trying to find out who came to take and kill the babies born this way.if anyone finds any info on this i would really like to know.sorry i could'nt be of more help here rerun but we're not allowed to add links on this site.

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rerun7378
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PostYou have posted in this forum: Mon Apr 12, 2010 6:24 pm   Post subject:  Re: Demons: has anyone seen one? Back to top 

Tammi,

Quote: › we're not allowed to add links on this site.


People add links all of the time. I don't think it will matter too much. Unless it is a weirdo site or porn or something stupid.

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Harrie
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Netherlands NL Limburg
PostYou have posted in this forum: Tue Apr 13, 2010 9:32 am   Post subject:  Re: Demons: has anyone seen one? Back to top 

Tammi,

As far as I know, in most cultures children born with the ‘veil’ were rarely killed but considered to have certain supernatural powers. Although in reality there seem to be many that were born with a veil that do not seem to have any such powers, while not all people who claim to have such powers were born with a veil or caul. And only a crazy person would attempt to murder people who were born that way in this day and age? And perhaps they stopped recording these events as they were not important?

Am I right that you think your gift is of divine origin, but the experiences themselves are not?
After all: I doubt it that a good God would sent you nasty experiences?
They are never friendly you say, so what do you think God expects you to do with this gift?

And is it impossible that there might be a more earthly explanation for all this?
After all, in the case of hearing voices for example, scientists have discovered that not only the regions of the brain involved in hearing are active, but also the parts of the brain that are used to generate speech, indicating that the source of those voices is the brain itself.
Your brain does most of its work in the background, with you unaware of many of its activities. For example: you have no idea which muscles you must use to walk. You simply want to walk and the lower parts of your brain figure out how. You can’t even control many processes: your heartbeat and temperature are regulated without you being conciously needed to keep that going.
The fact that your brain does this much without you even knowing, makes several experiances rather alien, as if they seem to come from outside.

There are many people that hear voices but can function perfectly well without any medication, but this seems only possible when the voices are friendly or neutral.

The fact that your experiances are not friendly convinces me that you need to check out their origin for your own safety.
I just hope that you will choose a Christian doctor, a doctor YOU can trust, and let him or her examine you as there are some dangerous medical conditions that can cause all kind of experiences .
If there is nothing they can find, than at least you have excluded any medical origin and can enjoy your gift as truly being divine and prove any naysayer wrong. You have absolutely nothing to lose in that process: NOBODY can take that gift away if it is truly divine, and NOBODY can force you to take medication you do not want.
IF God gave you this gift, than He had a purpose and would not let any human take it away, don’t you think?

Please at least consider seeking medical care.

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Tammi
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PostYou have posted in this forum: Tue Apr 13, 2010 11:49 pm   Post subject:  Re: Demons: has anyone seen one? Back to top 

Harrie,if you research on this subject a little more you will find many babies born this way were killed at birth or if found at a later date taken from their families for only god knows what?I do not just hear voices i can actually see and have a conversatoin with these demons.As i've said before i always have and i know i do not need to see a doctor about this.Please understand,this is not something that is only apparent to me when it happens.sometimes,but there have been many times things were moving around the room that everyone present could see.Also they have told me things they were gonna do to my family members and i warned them and they actually went through with it right in front of my own eyes and the eyes of everyone else who was there.(they did'nt see what was causing it but they did see how it affected my brother when they were all trying to pick this big heavy dresser with full mirror attatched that had just been thrown across the room landing on top of him)my experiences are very out of the ordinary,i'll give you that.but that does not in any way make them less real.i am telling you the honest truth Harrie and maybe you just can't grasp the idea that we are not the only ones that exist,there is a whole other realm of existence right in front of you.i believe if you would open your heart to the lord and ask him to show you that it is true,only then you could see.i'm not playing around Harrie.You asked me to help save you,why would you not want to know the truth??i cannot help you without your true cooperation.if you really want to be saved Harrie then please be serious and say a prayer that god do whatever it takes to save your soul.give him permission to have control over your life.do you understand that it really is that easy?as much as you bother me with your "DR is the only rational answer to tell you why you're so crazy logic),i do truly care about your soul and i won't give up on praying for you no matter how you offend me.
may god bless you with the truth Harrie,ttyl
Tammi

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Harrie
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PostYou have posted in this forum: Wed Apr 14, 2010 9:39 am   Post subject:  Re: Demons: has anyone seen one? Back to top 

Tammi,

I doubt it you need to worry that anybody would want to kill you for being born with a veil, I would not know why anybody in his right mind would do such a thing? At least that is the situation here in Europe, but I doubt the USA is that much different in this respect?

I have no doubt that your demon experiences have a tremendous influence on you and that you consider them as very real.
I simply can’t belief that every experience has the same truth or reality to it. After all, you will be familiar with the many illusions that trick us? Nearly everybody will see things moving on a printed piece of paper, while we know very well that this is impossible? That this is caused by the way our brain is wired?
Why is it impossible for the human brain to generate vision and sound? That happens every night in our dreams? Science shows that indeed the part of the brain that generates such experiences are active?

Do you hear and see these demons while you, for example, are driving?

If you are absolutely sure that it is impossible that there can ever be a non-paranormal reason, than I wonder how you can be that sure? Why are you so afraid of a doctor? Surely there are many deeply religious Christian doctors you could go to? They will never try to talk you out of your religion or something?

In all honesty I doubt it very much if I ever will be saved. I used to be quite religious, but when I started to think it over I could not go on believing.
To be able to start believing again, a religious system must convince me of it’s reality and that is where it keeps going wrong. You simply can’t pray to a God you can’t belief in, you first need to start believing to pray. Perhaps it would be the same as if I would ask you to pray to Brahma or Zeus.

The way you are convinced that your demons are real, I am convinced that God does not exist. But I at least exposed myself to the beliefs of theists by visiting a theist site and discuss our differences in view. You seem to be scared to expose yourself to the views of medical science. Or do your demons threaten you not to go?

If your experiences are real and you can prove this somehow to the outside world, you can collect a million dollars from the James Randi foundation and donate that money to any good cause you can think off. A medical rapport could help to prove that; if your experiences are not generated in your own brain, they can prove that only the parts of your brain that are involved in hearing and seeing are active during your experiences. That would indeed be a great break-through, be very interesting and would certainly make me reconsider.

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