----------------------------------- rerun7378 Sun Feb 21, 2010 7:52 pm Re: Bible Questions ----------------------------------- Harrie, Yet you think their chances are the same? Adam was created without a sinful nature. He still fell. What has this sinful nature for effect in that case? I'm not following this question. Please rephrase that for me. Would one child not grow up having difficulties seeing the truth? Adam walked with God and he still fell. And therefor not stray easier and become a non-believer sooner? Having a sinful nature does not mean you can't see the truth. So Christ did NOT take away our sinful nature. I never said He did. And He did not take away our sin, did He? If you trust Him, He will. But if you don't, He won't you will never ever be able to find Him, as that sinful nature has warped your mind so we can’t see reality as it is, isn’t that correct? Yes, you can still find Him. You just have to seek. IF their minds would not be warped by their sinful nature, they would no doubt see the truth of Christ immediately, don’t you think? No. Adam walked with God and he still sinned and disobeyed God. So in a way, God condemns most people on this planet to eternal hell, simply by letting them be born in the wrong place or time, being born with a sinful nature? God is not far from any one person on this planet. but I’m asking you: if you would leave a message for generations to come, would you clearly condemn slavery or not? I know a person, a millionaire and a very esteemed lawyer outside of Washington D.C., he pays people a small wage and gives them a house to live in in exchange for labor. This is not very different from slavery described in the bible. Is this man wrong? OR, should he let those people go without work? Wasn’t it God’s law that the woman should get stoned? No matter if that man had to be stoned too or not? They were to be stoned together. And besides, you are missing the point. God is allowed to forgive any and all violations against His laws. They are His. Anyway, as Jesus was without sin, He should have cast the first stone, or IF He thought the stoning was unfair, He should have explained why. You would be a hell of a messiah, Harrie. You should start a cult. Jesus is God. The laws are His. If He wants to forgive, it is His prerogative. Only after he was crucified? Only after He was crucified. but I think having to obey such laws was a curse in itself, don’t you think? Yes I do. That is why Adam's sin had the effect it does. He had one simple test. Don't eat the one certain fruit in the middle of the garden. Spelled out quite plainly and he STILL blew it. Who placed that cursed law upon the people? The law was not cursed. Didn’t He break the law by disobeying the law by not stoning the woman? Jesus was a nobody in the eyes of the Pharisees. He didn't have their authority. but I have grave problems with that good guy going to hell only for not believing in Christ. Thinking you don't NEED Christ is one of the worst sins anybody could ever commit. So that good guy of yours is a more grievous sinner than a murderer according to God. And before you spout that it is unfair, is the death of Christ on our behalf fair? Why do you deserve to have a potential savior in Christ when all you do is ridicule Him? Because, like the good guy who gave all his money to the poor and the repentant mass murderer, we are all equal in the sight of God. Equally worthy of death. Equally worthy, because of Christ, of life. You can tell the tree by the fruit; that bit is wise indeed. You got that right. That is not what I read in those laws at all. Then read it again. God could have clearly condemned slavery, He definitely did not do that. Yes He did. Should the Bible not be a guide to your life? I've said it before, the OT points out our need for Jesus Christ. Why can't you understand that? Could you explain to me how divine inspiration works and why you do not doubt it? I have given you resources to explain that but you reject them. So, no.