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Spartan
Fri May 06, 2005 1:58 pm

Re: is their really such a thing as freewill?
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Rapadura said: 
"cannot support it by scriptural texts and his remarks are not in contradiction to the revealed scriptures than why should we not accept it?" 

Reply by neastman;
If it cannot be support by scripture then theres no arguement. Theres not even a discussion. 

I agree with that. If a statement cannot be supported.... But it may be different if a person cannot support his own statement but his statement can be supported by scripture (by a learned person) and not be contradicted by any scriptural statement. Such a layman shouldn't be excluded.

Also said: "God will not interfere with our minute independence. He wants us to love Him out of free will, not out of force, because than it cannot be called love anymore" 

Where is this idea taught in scripture? Again another one of mans false ideas or presuppostions about God. 

Please give any scriptural arguments which refutes this statement.

Quote;"I do not come into this pulpit hoping that perhaps somebody will of his own free will return to Christ. My hope lies in another quarter. I hope that my Master will lay hold of some of them and say, "You are mine, and you shall be mine. I claim you for myself." My hope arises from the freeness of grace, and not from the freedom of the will." 


receive the Lords mercy, he must have had a certain desire to get it. That's called free will. To desire to get the Lord's mercy. Before we make this choice, there is no way of receiving it. Being impartial, He is bestows His mercy upon everyone at every moment, but only the one who desires to get it, can receive it. The one who doesn't cultivate this desire, will (most probably) never get it. That's called free will.If man has free will in the sense that they are able to freely choose, in this case freely choose to love God, then why did Christ die? If man has this type of ability then he has the ability to obey the law and get to God thru the covenant of works. It is not possible, as the Old Testament proves, Christ died because no one was able to use their free will to choose Godward.



So do you believe every person is born able to choose God over the desires of their human nature?